A question asked because of action taken responses and still the wrong is being found of. Three sides of a coin which will you see
This is my and the responses from the action of banned from sites. People who have answered my asking if they knew of things. And messages back and forth. Names and sites have been removed to not point or give directions time and dates are left to see the flow of it. The bottom line is none but a few of the ‘befriended’ in the Ningverse have typed to me to ask and have answers given.
Many it seems closed their minds and do not want to ask or learn difference of social stereotypical ideas and the actually of one person. Below you will find some of the messages written to me from others. Some are those who this action has been taken by. Others finding things out and the general concern of why and how come.
I asked of a banning massage sent to me. It referenced other sites I am on other adim and others talked to. But because of that asking to find if anyone knew of it or was part of it. I have been banned off three more sites. And it seems several people do not read things for they thought is was a personal attack or I was banning them or threatening to or accusing them. Which it was not just a asking of help to know where this came from and if any knew of it.
No I did what I do ask if any one knew of or about things. And found only three that had an idea. But got lots of do not know or what or why.
Guess that does not work in the Ningverse. Instead all just fly off to their own separate corners and can type anything they want of any one they do not agree with them and make it as if correct.
Instead of typing me asking me and learning the of me.
Judged sentenced and executing of sentence commenced.
Mon 7/06/09 11:46 PM (co-creator) has sent you a message on
I need you to do me a favor and change your profile information. We have children on site and that is not something that they should be reading. If you'd like to you may put up a scaled down version in the singles group.
You have until Thursday PM to change your profile or we will have to unfortunately ban you.
Tue 7/07/09 12:42 AM you were BAN Becuz of the SICK things you had on you page prey on young girls your kind isn't wanted here!! you will remain BANNED!! i've gotten many complaints against you for people on the site!
Tue 7/07/09 12:55 AM We have no closed minds nor do we pass moral judgment on anyone. However as
responsible human beings we must take care of and look out for our children who don't need to be exposed to that type of subject matter. You are the one with the problem as you believe your profile was fit for minors to read. What kind of "adult" are you?
Yes, we initially gave you until Thursday but as you indicated in your 1st message you were unwilling to make the changes we requested and to tone it down and put it in the singles group where it belongs.
See you around the campfire. Many blessings,
Tue 7/07/09 12:58 AM Sometimes asking what one is would be good and what sick things> The fact that I am a Practitioner of old ways? The fact I am a traveling artist? The fact that I live upon the road and am different than most? The fact that I look for an apprentice style assistance of an older mind set?
What complaints and why is this the first I have seen of them? Why have I not been asked and conversed with? Why does this seem as a judged sentenced and carried out situation without one able to explain or present their side.
I made one attempt of a re write and then the banning was on. No response no words no thoughts.
Closed minds I have found many places but within the Practitioner community here they have been interesting at the very least.
I prey upon no one nor do I want to. No one has asked of my profile nor of me or meaning there of. So if you will let me know I will remove the profile and that will end it. Or the time limit of Thursday can be honored and a common ground can be found. Or the door of minds can remain the social stereotypic and uneducated of the ways and what is meant. Instead of the assumption and common mindset of today.
Rev. Allen M. Drago
Tue 7/07/09 3:52 PM Allen,
If you would like to re-write your profile, I don't have a problem with that which is why we gave you until Thursday. But you accused us have being closed-minded, then the "take me or leave me" attitude as far as your profile was concerned left us with no choice but to ban you as it appeared to 3 of us that you were unwilling to do so. We even gave you the option of using the info in your profile and put it up in the singles group where it really does belong. As parents we did not want the children on site to be exposed to information that is of a sexual nature and though it is your lifestyle, kids can't wrap their heads around it and frankly we are not their parents and if those parents want their children to learn of that lifestyle it's up to them to teach it to them, not get bits and pieces of it in a profile. The slaves bit was way over the top and NOT child friendly. We have quite a few minors on the site as the age range starts at 13 by law. In fact I can think of 3 13 year olds that we have off the top of my head. As the mother of 4, I would have been horrified had one of my children come to me with questions due to reading your profile.
Unfortunately, we do have to be careful for their sake. Personally, I have no problem with your lifestyle and in fact if we were an adult only site it would have been perfectly fine and this would never had been an issue.
I hope you can see our side of things. We're not putting you down and it's not a personal attack, we just need to be as responsible as we can.
Let me know if you'd like to come back and I will reinstate your membership. Blessings,
Tue 7/07/09 4:47 PM I have rewritten the profile did you not notice? I have been constantly attacked upon the practitioner sites here in the Ningverse. Most never give reasons nor attempt to explain. This is the first time one has written and explained items of things to me. You may understand now the first reaction I have is one of here it goes again. No explaining any reason. I was given the Thursday dead line I made an attempt. The banning was on. That pissed me off. As if I did not even try or attempt to make things different.
My life style is of old and many ways not common but falls with in four different non social understood or seen as correct lifestyles. I have been open with what I do and what I practice. Which more than most. I join site corners only after being invited. Right upon my profile it states as questions. But few ever do they rather complain than ask me. IF there were things state upon me than why were they not brought forth? Why was I not asked and conversed with when the firs question was made. Have I not the right to face those whom oppose me? Or is the social normal of avoid and let someone else deal with it the status here as well?
The accusing of closed minds was because of no questions and the fact I did redo the profile by it seemed as if none looked at it nor any comment upon the fact was done. Also the past experiences of the Ning practitioner style had also been already felt, treating you as the whole was my mistake. I usually let one show their ways for themselves not group as others.
I look for one or two with a certain mindset to travel with us to work with us. The BDFSM lifestyle we follow is on of apprenticeship and service upon need than the common social romance style of thought of today. And it I state that in the profile.
My profile words if asked would have been explained. They are not for a 'single hook up" they are for a 2/7 traveling position within a service oriented placement.
As far as the younger populace if you looked you would have seen I have requirements as any job or placement of company position. I am not the parent of the world nor expect to be one whom curbs ones words upon a place where I have lived for many years. If someone can't ask questions then what will they tell their children of the answers?
I do not advertise any sexual nature and also in profile words specifically state I don't do that either. Or was that missed?
A slave a submissive an apprentice in the old ways and doings were about the same in status and need of the same mind set. I will teach if one is willing. But they must be able to do as asked and not become one I have to 'deal' with for their actions have incorrectly done something. I am in the constant public world and do not hide what who or how I think. Why does this bother people? If they want me to explain than I will if they do ask. Then the preconceived serotype notions are emplaced I am judged and sentenced for things that are neither correct nor true upon my ways.
The internet is vast and children are children. I know for I have three. But they also are educated within the gypsy artist strictness of their parent. And know the differences of asking and just blindly judging. And if the question or want is there any child upon an internet connection can find many things. When did the parent stop guiding the child and the world became the one to show the parent what is correct for they can no longer do so themselves.
I can make the profile private so only 'friends' can see it as well would that make one happy? That is choice that is never offered but is a setting upon Ningverse sites.
Questions are going to come no matter if is from an internet site, school, books or other influences. All one can do is take them as they arrive and do the best one can to answer guide and given counsel to those whom are within our care.
Adult site ideas are not what I am of or want. I look for one to learn of the old by the old upon the older mind set. Either the practitioner or artist venues I have. In return to work as need not with the modern mind of most I cross paths with.
I see that most never ask questions. I see that the stereotypic ideas have been in placed upon me. And yes because of the not asking is does come as personnel attack for not asking is one sided and incorrect with me.
If you want me back fine. I have re written once and that if truly read and discussed would open minds upon my ways. If not then tell me and I will delete the full profile and go. Simple enough.
I can also take these messages and post them in blog as well for others to read and it may enlighten them perhaps if they want to learn. Most I have found do not.
But when I am referred to as 'sick' because someone reads jumps to judgment then sentences me upon their own bias it makes one not happy within where those are in charge. For the closed mind will never be open by my words. Only the true need of questions fully listened to with out preconceived thoughts. And when the first question is asked is the time to ask of one. Not throwing that here have been many complaints as if it has been an on going chain of events. That was not asked of but left to build until this is the outcome.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:59:13 +0100 Hi There. Please explain to me why you have been banned from the site of ------------. Kind Regards, ( site Developer)
2009/7/25 Allen Drago I have no clue. I was invited to make a corner. I did so with my standard profile words and style. Joiuned the fairy group left some pictures of faries send one person a thank you. Then got two more messages from there after I came back from lunch tried to see them to answer them and was banned. No words no warning nothing to indicate any incorrect. If this is what your site is to be remembered for when I am asked I hope not.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:28:09 +0100 Hi there,Please can you send me details of the profile you submitted to the 4 paws site. Having spoken to the site owner , that the reason you were baned were references in your profile witch were unacceptable to the site owner.
the parchment words on my profile that is what I sent to the request along with These are the basic words I use on all ning verse sites I am on. I just don't get why people don't ask questions just instant bann. This is very closed mined of them.'
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:21:33 +0100 Hi Allen.
First off, I'm Sorry That you have been treated in this way. Yes It is --------, But, As I created the site & all come back falls on my shoulders. I believe you should not have Been baned without warning or reason.
I promise you that this matter is being dealt with by myself.
In the mean time, If you & your friends would be interested, you are more that welcome to join a site that I run, (on my own, I might add with out any judgment ) You would be more that welcome to create groups of your own interests ect in the same way as you did on the 4paws site, with out influence.
My site is new & just starting out, so it is a little quiet to start with. But Like I said, you & your friends are more than welcome.
Kind regards (site Creator)
2009/7/26 Allen Drago Thank you for your doings and invite I have made a corner within this morning. Will wait to find the of the bann and see what you do for knowledge. But the way done has been the way in ningverse many times I have been led to understand it is easier to push the button then face explain work out and deal with. The social norm is to avoid and let someone else deal with it.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:13:51 +0100 Hi There, & There is no need for thanks, I believe everyone should be respected & judged on merit not by predigest. I'm still awaiting a email off ----------, But I hold out no hope I'm afraid. Im happy you decided to join my small & new site, you are very welcome. Kind Regards
Sent: Mon 7/27/09 11:26 PM traveler I have been talking to ----------- and it seems I was wrong about the things you put on your page at -----------. I did not ban you, you can come back any time. I apologize for the misunderstanding. I wrote to you before but no response , I don't blame you for having a problem with the way I treated you. You are more than welcome to be a member of my site, you could be very beneficial to the site with your knowledge of past peoples and the cultures. Anyway please forgive me and if you will let bygones be bygones. ------ speaks well of you and that is good enough for me, I did not know you. At first we were concerned about you but that is all in the past now. So I will send you an invite or you can just join, it is a public site now. Rap at ya later. ----------------- creator) has sent you a message on ----------
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:09:38 +0000 > From: Traveler > To: ------------ > > Usually I just upload the pictures and put them in albums for people to use and enjoy.
> > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:04:49 +0000 > > From: ------------- > > To: Traveler > > > > Merry Meet,
> > Yes. > > You can create a group. > > When you do, it'll have to be approved, this is for your sake and others. > > Or, I can create one for you. > > Blessed Be
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:54:01 +0000 > > > From: Traveler > > > To: ---------- > > > > > > I have a decent sized practitioner picture of knowledge collection would you want it here.
Wed 7/29/09 12:49 AM Meery Meet, Your profile was obscene, when you scroll down, on your profile. I am aware that you have bee banned from several sites, because of your behavior You spam people with sexual things, on all the sites, you are a member of, and those sites you were banned from, for the same behavior. I do know what BDSM and BGFSM means. You disgrace all weman. You have been reported to Ning, from me, and other site admin.'s and creators. We got together and discussed this. Go join ========, they probably put up with your stuff. 99% of us consider --------------, a disgrace to Wicca, They are all about numbers, not real content. You probably would fit in there. Blessed Be,
From Creator and Staff, of --------------- ----------- A.K.A.----------
I then started to send this message with the subject line of Any one know of this?
The massage referenced that other sites I was on were asked of me other admin talked to and other people asked. I wanted to know if any had been privy to this or knew of it. All hell broke loose so to type because I wanted to know.
Wed 7/29/09 1:02 AM I am an admin. On----------but I havn't been thee for some time. I do not know why you were banned. If someone ok'ed your hoto then maybe they didn't have the authority to do so. I do not ok peoples photo's. I feel it is an area I do not want to go to. i will try to look into this for you.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:14:12 +0000
who are you talking about ????
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:20:17 +0000
> I was sent this this evening after placing a profile on that site.
> You have been reported to Ning, from me, and other site admin.'s and creators. We got together and discussed this.
> is intresting
Sent: Wed 7/29/09 3:22 AM
you talking about, me??????
Sent: Wed 7/29/09 3:25 AM
are you talking about __________ ????
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:25:54 +0000
It states site I am on and others so I am trying to find out where this was discussed and when how and why I was not asked of things. Not pointing asking for answers and the bottom of things
Sent: Wed 7/29/09 3:27 AM your making it sound like to all my members, your talking about me????
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:29:56 +0000
I am asking if any one knows of this or was of the of it Not pointing asking for to find out and know where this is based of if you did not then there is one site that was not involved
Wed 7/29/09 3:33 AM look, your saying that this is about me ????????
Wed 7/29/09 3:36 AMWHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THIS LETTER FROM??? I BELONG AND AM A ADMINISTRATOR TO HIS SITE....WHO ACTUALLY RECEIVED THIS OR HOW DID YOU GET IT PLEASE LET ME KNOW AS SOON AS YOU CAN.. THANK YOU
Wed 7/29/09 4:30 AM DARKEST GREETINGS TO YOU TRAVELER....AS HEAD ADMINISTRATOR OF ------------ I HAVE MESSAGED ALL MY ADMINS AND WIZARD ASKING THEM TO PLEASE UPDATE ME AS TO WHY YOU WERE BANNED FROM DARK WORLD..... I WILL GET BACK TO YOU SHORTLY AS SOON AS SOMEONE HAS UPDATED ME IN THIS MATTER...RESPECTFULLY
Wed 7/29/09 4:37 AM From: Allen Drago this what I was sent it makes no sense nor is correct to my life nor style I was not asked or contacted of any of this. Banned Meery Meet, Your profile was obscene, when you scroll down, on your profile. I am aware that you have bee banned from several sites, because of your behavior You spam people with sexual things, on all the sites, you are a member of, and those sites you were banned from, for the same behavior. I do know what BDSM and BGFSM means. You disgrace all weman. You have been reported to Ning, from me, and other site admin.'s and creators. We got together and discussed this. Go join WiccanTogether, they probably put up with your stuff. 99% of us consider -------------, a disgrace to Wicca, They are all about numbers, not real content. You probably would fit in there. Blessed Be, From Creator and Staff, of ---------------------
---------------- A.K.A. --------------
Wed 7/29/09 4:38 AM not me Traveller.. I am (HAPPILY!!!) very removed from all the drama... Im just here in my groups and pretty busy with it... I havent heard anything at all- but? it has been awhile since I have been to other NING sites
Wed 7/29/09 4:39 AM From: Allen Drago (email@example.com) All I know is that I was aking if any one knew of the message I got from another site that referanced it was talked about with other sites I am on.
Wed 7/29/09 5:06 AMwell then thats the site that did it i'll go copy the forum notice that they posted, IT happend last week, started cleaning house on anyone that wasn't a practioner of there beliefs, they sent an email out about it said people were use the site for pick ups, sex talk, & pornagraphic materail & said all who they find would be banned, SO thats were it probly originated from. I wish now that I'd archived that e-mail, I hope that helps.
Wed 7/29/09 5:08 AM this is about you perhaps this is the reason you were banned from ---------- he has must been Surceling this message around several creators ...i would give him a Meery Meet in his ass ....i don't see anything wrong with your behavior...and you for sure did not spam anyone as far as i know ....
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:10:06 +0000 > From: Traveler That would be good to see that and know of it thank you if you would. But this is not of ---------- or it is a bleed over doing as general
Wed 7/29/09 5:29 AM I'll have to check w/---------- to see if he archived that e-mail, for some odd reason that post at the fourm isn't there & I know it was, But he can also verify what it said in the e-mail, sorry I know it was there, but the e-mail will work all the same, I'll find out tomorrow when he gets up. I realy hate pepole that can't be right up front w/ a person when they have a problem but in the end the truth will come out. If you need any help let me know & I'll do all I can.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:12:28 +0000 > From: Traveler This site and ----------- site same people then? For if so then much is incorrectly done. You know of what I do and what the hearth site is why this?
Wed 7/29/09 5:32 AM nope nope its not they are not together ..you know people are same everywhere and --------- guys are pretty much busy with there members and things not to bather which such a stuff as i see . so you see we are the bad guys for doing nothing wrong...you know a little advice for you leave the Suckers and enjoy what you have.
Wed 7/29/09 5:45 AM Hello sorry I wasn't arround yesterday I took a break & did some gameing, which I haven't done in a very long time. Well I better get to the point for I have to things to ask of you: Do you still have that e-mail from the ----------- about them banning members, if so send it to Traveler for he is banned from that site, & i could of swore they had a disscussion on it in the fourm, but I can't find it & I 'm possitive it was there, But he could realy use are help!
Wed 7/29/09 5:58 AM TRAVELER...YOU NEED TO STOP POSTING THIS S*** ON ALL THE SITES....I CAN AND WILL BAN YOU IF YOU PERSIST ON ACCUSING OR INSINUATE THAT ANY OF MY SITES THAT I AM HEAD ADMINISTRATOR ON THAT WE KNEW OR HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU BEING BANNED FOR THE CRAFT!!!! THIS IS VERY OFFENSIVE TO ADMINS AND OTHER CREATORS...ITS LIKE YOUR OUT RIGHT ACCUSING ANY ONE OF US FOR YOUR BEHAVIOR ON ANOTHER SITE....IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOU BEING BANNED FROM THAT SITE THEN I SUGGEST YOU TAKE IT UP WITH ---------...NOW..NO MORE AND DONT START THIS S*** ON -------------------- EITHER!!!!
Wed 7/29/09 6:35 AM OK..I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY ---------- HIMSELF THAT YOUR MESSAGE THAT YOU SENT OUT TO ALL OF US ON ----------- WAS INSINUATING AND OUT RIGHT ACCUSSING ANY OF US ADMINS OR CREATOR THAT WE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOU BEING BANNED FROM ANOTHER SITE...WE HAVE AT NO TIME HAVE BEEN APPROACHED IN ANYWAY ABOUT YOUR MEMBERSHIP ON OUR SITE...AND WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM ANOTHER MEMBER STATING THIS:
This up with You, and ask if there is a member named Traveller. This person is threatening Me with being banned from this site because I supposedly send nude or BDSM pics on this site. I have sent non nude BDSM pics, and no child porngraphy. Please inform Me if I am under the threat of being banned from this sote?? Thank You, Your Friend,
NOW I CAN NOT GIVE YOU THE NAME OF THIS PERSON BUT YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM -------------- FOR THIS REASON AND FOR INSINUATING THAT ANY OF US HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR MEMBERSHIP BEING BANNED FROM THE ---------
YOU MIGHT WANT TO RETHINK YOUR APPROACH WITH OTHER SITES YOUR ON AND THE WAY YOU ARE SO CALLED ASKING ISNT BEING PRESENTED IN A NICE FASHION.... RESPECTFULLY...
From: Allen Drago (firstname.lastname@example.org) Sent: Wed 7/29/09 7:20 AM In what I was sent it states other sites other people I wanted to know if anyone had know of this. I wanted information I sent the question to those ;be friended' in the site to see if any had been asked or talked to many people go to many sites. IN doing this I have found form two other darker sites that it is the ---------- and alike sites that started a 'cleansing' of those not wanted nor liked. If people ask me of things I tell them If someone contacts me I return the contacting. I asked if any one knew of this. Not accuesed any one of it. Why would I? I know many have different sites they are on. If a general question of do you know of this come out. I would have been more pissed for the general inclusion done by the person whom sent this. Than the person wanting to know of it. I alos have recived a message form one of the site admins there which does not know why was done. SO it seems this is a blanket mailing of sorts and that many are being sent and implicated upon the deciding of it. SO if one wants to be bent out of shape because some one was asking for knowledge and trying the only way they knew how so be it. I will delete the profile if allowed to and go one my way. If the person whom took offense thought to ask me a question I would have converse with them and let them know of the reasons and whys. But once again some one goes judges sentences and excutes the sentence before any thing is typed upon explained or really asked. With a meassage that states other sites and other people. THae asking of do you know of this? SHould have been welcome as a heads up somone is univeraly inplicating people they have no reason to. I seem to have had the oppisate effect and people took personnaly and if that means i am not to another site the I am not. If someone whats to ask me things I will be some where it is getting late here and I am almost worded out for now.
Wed 7/29/09 8:06 AM I had heard that you had tried to enrol sex slaves through your friends list on sites but since you had done nothing wrong here I kept out of it. As far as I am concerned, your sexual preference is your business but I hope it isn't true that you spam members with sexual requests because that is a big no no. If these other network creators wish to behave like this then that is their perogative but unless you behave in an inappropriate manner here then there is nothing I will do.
Any one know of this it referances other sites I am on Wed 7/29/09 8:13 AM I understand you have threatened another member with being banned for posting nude pics. Firstly,you cannot ban anyone. Secondly, this would be a matter that you should report to me. Third, I don't like my members being threatened and you are close to being banned yourself. If you wish to remain on NIng I suggest you review your behaviour.
Wed 7/29/09 11:44 AM Hi traveler I'm already a active member of -----------. But now they had some seriously annoying problemos there -__- I don't get why you send this to all of us haha I never been banned from a site and I'm not even into sex. I'm on this site because my friends invited me. I don't know the purpose and BDSM/BGFSM but let us kids play... I'm sure we are harmless. I'm a woman myself.
Wed 7/29/09 11:56 AM i have no clue what that is about...it is wierd..are they talking about you? can't be..i am on several sites with you so they can't be talking about you..have no clue whatthose idiots are talking about
Wed 7/29/09 12:31 PM My friend, Traveler, I can understand where Peter gets the impress your profile is obsene and can disgrace women. However, I don't get the impression from you that you disgrace all women. I know we have gotten into our tiffs so to speak, but as far as disgrace me...no you haven't. My suggestion is you go onto www.ning.com, and sign in. From there you might be able to contact the administrators with these issues. Also, if you want me to, I can write an email to Peter on your behalf. Remember you are not always politically correct, and this time someone(s) have truly misunderstood. Here is what is truly upsetting...did any of these creators have this conversation with you? If not, point this out to the administrators. If you need me to, I will email the administrators on your behalf. If you have any other female friends, you should them to do the same thing. Most important...please don't let this get you down. For this is not true. If it was I would have eaten you up, and spit you out a long time ago. I will be online tonight. Let me know if I can help you any further. Good luck. May the Dragons Guide you on your Path,
Wed 7/29/09 12:36 PMAre you still at this site or have you been banned from this site too?
Wed 7/29/09 12:43 PMDearest Traveler, Many Blessings to you this morning for a beautiful day. Sweet Heart, I received the MAS Email you sent out, but am a little unsure of "WHO" you are talking about, and "WHY" you felt the need to "MAS" email it to everyone??? Here at PaganSpace we pride ourselves on NOT allowing (drama) from one site to roll over to our site, and quickly put a end to such endeavors. If you feel that someone is causing you a problem email me back with the details of the issue and I'll be more than happy to look into the matter.
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:45:18 +0000 From: Traveler Looks like I am still here and have no answers but the other site really salpped this one good in what they sent me after judging sentencing and exctuing the sentence. referanceing other sites and people and noe contacted me for my side of the coin or the truth
Wed 7/29/09 12:53 PMSo do you do as they say you do? Post what the average person would consider obscene pictures to people? They also tossed around the word BDSM?
Wed 7/29/09 1:08 PM I have not heard of him so far.
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:57:46 +0000 > From: Traveler The message was sent to me last night after only being that site for less than 24 hours. It refers to of other sites I am on and others talked. I sen this out asking if any one had know heard or any thing upon it. I am straight forward and and wanted to know things I sent it to those 'be friended' to find out if they could help know of this. Doing this has cause another site to bann me, one replied LOL to it and the rest were shocked and stunned that something of this nature was done. I have been also told there is a mass cleansing of Practitioner sites and this was a discussion on one site they were on they are no currently trying to find it and get me a reference copy of the words.
> I am one that feels one should not be judged sentenced and that carried out upon them with out their side of the coin being asked of and explained. I am also one who does not this done to others in the style of done to me. I ask for help in knowing whom the others referred to are so I can type to them and find out why these things are being typed and accused to me. The message references other sites I am on and other people conversing upon this. Where are they? Not to even broach the backhand toward another practitioner site.
Wed 7/29/09 1:51 PM Hi Sweet Heart, thank you so much for emailing back and explaining.. As for us here on PS, honestly, we do not go by what has happened on other sites.... As long as everyone shows respect to others here on ============, and leaves ""old issues"" at the other sites where it was started, then all's good.. I am sorry to hear you were banned from the other site..... Sites do not like when issues are carried from one to another, it just cause a who bunch of fights and drama... As for ==========, we do not go by he-said, she-said... If someone is banned from ============ it is based on that person's ""Own Actions"" no more, no less...
Wed 7/29/09 2:50 PM OMFG! I did NOT know about this and I DON'T know who this person is! This is DISGRACEFUL! Well, I'M not going to join that stupid bandwagon! I am furious about this!
Wed 7/29/09 3:04 PM WOW.I have heard nothing. No worries, I never pay attention to any of the crap that goes around ning. If I did, I'd have no members or friends, or groups LOL I believe in basing my opinion on what I see and know *myself* - not through what others tell me. As long as people are fine in my community, I don't really care what they do outside of it lol. As far as the sexual end, that's really no one's business, unless it involves minors or illegal activity. This reads more like a personal issue he has and not a genuine issue. As far as BGFSM?? I don't have a clue lol what that is. If you are interested in a adult community, you may want to join ===========I highly recommend them! it's an awesome, friendly site. I have been a member there since the beginning. My nickname is the same on there, if you wish to add me as a friend. Then, you can be free and as open as you wish with all sexual matters, with no concern or watching your back. Blessings, and Good luck with this! If I hear anything at all, I will let you know.
Wed 7/29/09 3:38 PM thats just stupid you have only showed the most respect towards me dont worry my friend you are always welcome on my sites you are my friend and i will stick by your side
Wed 7/29/09 4:25 PM Traveler, After reading the letter I do not believe this individual has done as they say, talking with other creators means somehow being on each others sites and why this person should care so much to go to this extent I do not know. If you have harmed none then I am baffled at why they put out a vicious attack on you, you are honest and express yourself without reserve, and on my site Pagan UnderWorld you have been great. Don't let someone like this unnerve you, they obviously have their own agendas.
Wed 7/29/09 5:31 PM Your message scared some of the staff here, one of them banned you. I have unbanned you and explained your circumstances to the the staff member, now there is a rumor going round that you are a hacker. First I heard of that. Can I ask you, why did you send that message to members of your plight at the other site?
I told Karen I was going to apologize to you and invite you back in, she did not advise me against it. Please don't let me down, and don't say anything about the things you are being accused of here on this site. You make people judge you and also make them paranoid. I saved you this time for I have a confidence in you now. take care and be well. I hope my decision is a good one, I have a feeling that it is. Knight King
Allen Drago (email@example.com) Sent: Wed 7/29/09 5:43 PM So far I have found out little of anything. One other site banned me for I asked if any one knew of this. I have gotten LOL. I have been typed to strongly of this and the wrong of doing the inquiring. Many do not believe it. 2 people took it as I was banning them I do not think they know how to read or read it just skimmed for key words to fly off on. I got a message from one person claiming to be and admin from that site who did not know why of ban but would look. Yet the message tells of many sites and admin and people that discussed this and have be wronged of myself.
I have also been typed to that there has been a practitioner cleansing of sites relating to those not wanted. And those whom typed of that are off to find the written records of this and sent it to me.
I most likely will never know what of this but hope that it will not happen again to others. to be judged sentenced and that to be executed with out a asking or inquiring of the accused to me is incorrect an wrong but seems to be the normal on the internet. It is easier to select a button then face a person. And no recourse or action is the simple of the action and the ease of doing not to be held accountable for once the section of delete is done none can contact them to deal with anything.
And as far as what is said of me. I have neither clue nor reason for their words or meaning behind them. So what is obscene to one could not be to another. After the ningverse cleansing of pictures many like the classic Venus on the half shell or the statue of David would be incorrect to post. So that is up to the person to interpret for their site and if they say not that one I state ok then kill it and any others you don't want I don't care your site your view.
As far as BDSM meanings that is a modern miss conception of many. I use BDFSM which refers to a older mind set and way of thinking which many just do not know and they then use the modern stereoscopic upon it with out truly knowing and differences or meanings within it. It is a varied as the practitioner community and both are very much practiced by the same persons at times. Do not mean they are the same and one has to be one to be the other. Only many follow both practices in their lives. The difference is with all non main stream socially correct ideas. They hide some or part or all of it. I am open and not hiding. I am willing to converse upon any of this if asked. Not push it upon or force a person of it. That is incorrect in so many ways in both practiced lifestyles.
I usually stay in the shadow and read much of what is placed in the places I have corners with in. If one contacts me I return the contact and ask what they would like. And will exchange simple graphic pictures and words with any one that does so. I think because of the 4 non mainstream or social normal lifestyles I live as one they see that as incorrect and use modern stereotypic values and categories upon my life. Instead of asking learning and become in knowledgeable. What man does not know he fears what he fears he tries to destroy more then looks for knowledge within it.
Yes, I am blunt and to point but what not be? Why candy coat and hide behind a mask vs. whom are you really? The practitioner sites in the ning verse are more closed minded I have found most any where else then they profess to be. Worse is for the enabling of no recourse vs. standing in front of some one face to face. To know the person dealt with seeing and talking to them as a person not just some typed symbols in a line. I refer to it as the "internet big balls". For I doubt many would do so out side the internet setting. This is where I usually am. This is a new setting to me and I am not found of it enough this did not help. For I have no clue the rules or reason of most of it other than the how and why of my everyday life and being.
I hope this has helped. Ask more if you want and I will try to answer to my best ability within words to do so.
Wed 7/29/09 5:59 PM I WOULD LIKE YOU AS A FRIEND AGAIN. I AM SORRY FOR WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT BEING BAND FROM HERE. TO ME YOU ARE A SOUL REACHING OUT.
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:03:56 +0000 > From: Traveler Little one I am still here and seems is welcome thought the thoughts of others. If you ask I will answer. Just know I don't take being bitten in any form. So I may be a bit off or brist I do not mean to it just may be with out thinking.
Wed 7/29/09 6:22 PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. I AM A WARRIOR AND A LADY.
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:15:58 +0000 > From: Traveler I have ben banned fron two other site because I asked if anyone knew of this they accused me of accuseing them of this. And several thin skninned people thought I was banning them or directly attacking them with. When all I wanted to know was if any knew of the sites talked to or the others refered to.
: Wed 7/29/09 6:26 PM OMFG! How STUPID can people actually BE!? That just makes NO sense! If they are THAT stupid, ignore them!
Wed 7/29/09 6:27 PM It wasn't anyone from =========, was it? I mean, ======= didn't take offense, did she? If she banned you, let me know so I can re-invite you! I AM NOT GOING TO BAN YOU AT ALL!
Wed 7/29/09 6:49 PM I have no idea why you received that. No one from any of======== sites, as far as I know, did any complaining about you and I certainly didn't on my site.
Wed 7/29/09 7:30 PM hi .. i also heard of this mess and was warned by quite a few about you .. as i have been told things about others as well .. i take the stand that ALL are welcome here unless they cause problems .. i myself have been tormented by ========== and know of all the lies and bashings some are made to endure .. as i said and you can see you are still here .. many blessings
Wed 7/29/09 7:46 PM BUT WE GAVE EACH OTHER A TRY...:) I CANNOT TAKE ALL TE CREDIT AS I HAD PATIENCE WITH YOU YOU ALSO W/ ME...........SO WE CAN GROW & UNDERSTAND. I RE-READ LOOKED UP 2 UNDERSTAND I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE ANYONE FEEL BAD. I INVITED ======== SO YOU CAN GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER LIKE I DID I SPEAK WITH HIM EVERY DAY ON PHONE OR THERE JUST ABOUT A NICE INTERNET FRIEND.....& YOU GAVE ME CHANCE & VISA VERSA SO HE WILL BE GOOD TO YOU ONCE HE ALSO UNDERSTANDS.........HE IS A GOOD PERSON & FAIR. IAM SO SORRY PEOPLE DONT KNOW HOW TO READ....& DIGEST & MEDIAITE ...ONCE I DID THAT & SOEM RESEARCH I WAS OK...SPEAKING WITH YOU ON PHONE MAD EIT REALLY EASIER...........IAM GLAD WE BOTH TOOK TIME FOR THIS...... IM HERE IF YA NEED TO VENT.........:) FINISHING UP A THEME I PROMISED SOMEONE BEFORE I PROMISED YOU YOUR NEXT IN LINE......:) HUGS & I HOPE YOU HAVE A BETTER DAY
Wed 7/29/09 7:51 PM what is this all about ! I don't know that person who send this message to you...sending you good vibes to neutralize all this negative energy ! xoxo
Wed 7/29/09 8:53 PM This is strange Traveler. It seems like they are trying to get us to reply to that network for some odd reason. So I am just going to delete it. Thank the God/Goddess that this was brought into=======. BB,
Wed 7/29/09 9:12 PM WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT!?
so sorry Wed 7/29/09 9:46 PM Wiccans i have no idea but i will seek
Wed 7/29/09 9:57 PM IAM HERE IF YOU NEED ME.....IAM SO SORRY YOU GOING THREW THIS IF YOU READ MY PAGE IN HERE & YOU WILL SEE WHAT MY FRIEND ========= WRITE ALSO.....SHE THINKS WHO EVER DID THIS IS A JERK...... YOU ARE A FRIEND & I DONT MIND HELPING WHERE I CAN. TAKE CARE IF YOU WANT TO TALK SHOOT ME E-MAIL......... IF YOU WANT ON LAND LINE I CAN SPEAK...HAVE A LOT MORE TIME ON HANDS TOMORROW.....I HAVE TO BAKE & THEN MAKE 100 PCS. OF CHOCOLATE COVERED STRAWBERRIES............:)
Wed 7/29/09 10:01 PM No I don't know anything of this at all.. I seen you was band from one of my sites..
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:24:24 +0000 I am sorry to see someone talking to you like that Traveler, who you obviously don't know. Have you ever heard of this person or the website he mentions?
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:05:03 +0000 NO HE DIDNT GET IN HERE DEB..........IT WAS SENT TO ALL OF TRAVELERS GROUPS WHICH IS TERRIBLE.......& VERY UNFAIR I CHEWED SOMEONE OUT TODAY & PUT IT ON LINE & THEN THEY REA READ & THEY ARE TALKING WITH TRAVELER.........YOU & I BEEN ON NET LON TIME ======........PEOPLE DONT READ.......BUNCH OF BUTT WIPES I SAY........ I JUST FEEL BAD FOR HIM & HIS FAMILY... IM SO SORRY TRAVELER I WISH I COULD DO MORE. BUT ====== GOOD GUY HE TOLD ME HE WANTS YOU TO HELP IN HIS GROUP ... >======== YOU MIGHT BE MEETING == I INVITE DHIM HERE SO HIM & TRAVELER CAN GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER LIKE WE DID.........
Wed 7/29/09 10:30 PM Thank you for the explanation. I just wasn't getting it. I still can't understand the way he spoke to Traveler like that. Going to go eat soon.
Wed 7/29/09 10:53 PM so can i write to this f***** and tell him that his opinion is only one not the cencensus. being wicca myself, ur words, ur life style everything about u is not way offensive to women or wicca???? cani cani cani please please please this jerk if f***** me off!
Wed 7/29/09 11:52 PMI don't have a clue what this is about. I have never seen anything like this before. Do you know where it come from? Is this directed at one of us or you? Please let me know if and when you find out. Thank you!
Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:34:10 +0000 > From: Traveler Ye I see am still here and I thank you for your words.
Thu 7/30/09 7:33 AM you are most welcome ... dont let us down .. simply shine brother .. hugzzz
Thu 7/30/09 4:48 PM Dear friend, For me, I find nothing offensive on your page. I know not of a banning. On the other hand, This is mainstream. Many have not opened their minds to the release. As I am a sub and a PS, your page evokes other reactions from me but I could see it bothering some Prissy People. Your wording is not offensive. The whole idea freaks some out. They are too out of touch with their primal needs.Have a good day my friend, do not let petty humans bother you.
Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:58:09 +0000 From: Traveler Thank you for your words and thoughts. Yes it seems the fluff bunny sites are against things. And do not ask of things 'open minded pagans' right? If you want go to my hearth site and look in Castle life' corner you will find a selection of tools and equipment custom artisan made. I will see what time brings but today I found that:You have been banned from Temple Of The Magick Moon Sorry, Traveler, you can not access Temple Of The Magick Moon as you have been banned. If you think you've been banned in error, you can contact the administrator. Another one has done for some unknown reason and silence is common for this action to me.
Thu 7/30/09 5:10 PM Most are just weak, frightened whelps. Their loss as I see it. I will check out your hearth site. LOL. I have long auburn hair. See you, my friend. Maybe at a Faire.
Thu 7/30/09 8:34 PM Hi why did you send this to me?
(2009-07-30 17:46:57) Ning = *******: you there? sorry it took so long to get back!
(2009-07-30 17:47:05) Ning = *******: I have a response from Peter know it all!
(2009-07-30 17:47:13) Ning = *******: He said the following:
(2009-07-30 17:47:13) Traveler: you do what is need
(2009-07-30 17:47:17) Ning = *******: Merry Meet.,
We have facts from other sites as well as ours. You are not an admin or a creator of a site. So we can not share the info with you. You can contact Ning, they have factual reports on him. So its not just us. You may leave the site if you want, We owe you no explanation on this. His profile was fine. He was caught spamming kiddies porn, on several sites, not just ours.Blessed Be your path Peter I consider this matter closed. He was given an explanation, why he was banned from me, several admin's, and other sites that banned him. We can't help that he ignores these messages
(2009-07-30 17:48:04) Traveler: now that is news to me. Don't you have a site?
(2009-07-30 17:48:11) Ning = *******: yes I do
(2009-07-30 17:48:15) Ning = *******: apparently, a****** doesn't REALIZE that!
(2009-07-30 17:49:06) Traveler: um how does one get a copy of the ning thing? as site person request it?
(2009-07-30 17:50:21) Ning = *******: not sure. looking into it now
(2009-07-30 17:51:09) Traveler: ok then and how does one cautch one doing this? and how proves it is the person there id theft? cut paste use some one profile?
(2009-07-30 17:52:39) Traveler: never asked me of this nor has anyone ever typed of this before
(2009-07-30 17:53:24) Ning = *******: well, I have the HELP tab open now for Ning. I am about to check it out.
(2009-07-30 17:53:53) Traveler: sick um
(2009-07-30 17:59:18) Ning = *******: this is what I have said to the Ning Helpdesk:
(2009-07-30 17:59:23) Ning = *******: I have been informed that several ning administrators and creators have banned a person going by the name of Traveler. They have attacked him without cause and accuse him of all sorts of things that he is innocent of. I have had NO trouble with this person. He is actually QUITE intelligent and has alot to offer as a member. He is being banned without warning, not given the chance to defend himself, and now Peter J. Brown, who has accused ME of not being a site creator and therefore "unworthy" of being given information on WHYthis man was banned, has accused Traveler of child porn, which he has told me he is NOT into in the least. He is not being given fair treatment and I, as a site creator, would like to know WHY he has been singled out like this! I should like one of you to get in touch with me AND Traveler so that his side of the story can be revealed and this persecution be stopped! I am FURIOUS that this is going on at a site that up until now I have had quite a great time on! I talk to Traveler every day and know him to NOT be the kind of person Peter has accused him of! I want this to be handled in as direct a way as possible! Thank you. *******
(2009-07-30 18:00:46) Traveler: I bow my head and softly thank you little one
(2009-07-30 18:01:01) Ning = *******: bows back You are quite welcome!
(2009-07-30 18:01:16) Ning = *******: I mean what I say, as well! I am APPALLED that this is going on!
(2009-07-30 18:01:39) Traveler: I am currently copy past the messages that I have upon this.
(2009-07-30 18:02:09) Traveler: I have been accused of things before but nothing like this
(2009-07-30 18:02:23) Traveler: THen I could walk up and face the person
(2009-07-30 18:02:40) Traveler: Here there is not I can do to do so.
(2009-07-30 18:04:27) Ning = *******: add this:
(2009-07-30 18:04:31) Ning = *******: You are not privy to any complaints, or otherwise.
I have told you its had nothing to do with his profile at all! one of best friends is into BDSM, and I still love her. We won't to answer your questions, but we respect the privacy of the sites and members, with factual complaints him, also from ning itself. Again, I say it had nothing to do with his profile!!!!! Blessed Be,
(2009-07-30 18:04:50) Traveler: reading to Isabell will get here
(2009-07-30 18:06:17) Ning = *******: Aparently, he is saying NIng has "factual reports" on you!
(2009-07-30 18:06:59) Traveler: what are factual reports?
(2009-07-30 18:07:30) Traveler: Isabell asks where did they come from
(2009-07-30 18:07:46) Ning = *******: these two came from Peter J. Brown
(2009-07-30 18:08:02) Ning = *******: creator of The Craft ning site
(2009-07-30 18:08:51) Traveler: Iwas on that site less than 24 hours and asked if he wanted the practitioner pictures whe he responed ok to
(2009-07-30 18:09:00) Ning = *******: I honestly thing he is full of s***!
(2009-07-30 18:09:24) Traveler: that is insulting to the s***
(2009-07-30 18:09:26) Ning = *******: think I mean
(2009-07-30 18:09:29) Ning = *******: :)
(2009-07-30 18:09:33) Ning = *******: true
(2009-07-30 18:09:34) Traveler: nope
(2009-07-30 18:10:23) Ning = *******: he is arrogant in his attitude though and as far as I'M concerned, he is heading for a fall
(2009-07-30 18:10:59) Traveler: wait till I get this all placed into one place.
(2009-07-30 18:14:07) Traveler: Do you think he would be awoken when he finds the Artist site?
(2009-07-30 18:14:49) Ning = *******: I have no idea. I think I'm about to be banned from THIS site though!
(2009-07-30 18:14:56) Ning = *******: My latest rebuttal:
(2009-07-30 18:15:00) Ning = *******: You claimed I had no right to know the situation because I am not a ning creator but I AM so I DO have the right to know what is going on. I HAVE asked Ning about this and I promise you I will look into it thoroughly. He has been singled out without a SHRED of proof other than people don't know like profile while someone who has STALKED no less than TWO women on the ning site is allowed to continue with his activities! You may ban me if you will. I care not! I was asking NICELY but have only gotten derision and arrogance in return. I WILL get to the bottom of this and if there IS something that he has done wrong, then I will apolegize but if there is NOT, then I suggest you learn humility.
(2009-07-30 18:15:46) Ning = *******: I ask you to include THIS as well with your other notes, just so one of us has them all. :D
(2009-07-30 18:16:00) Traveler: fang and claw I need you to sic people more he he he
(2009-07-30 18:16:08) Ning = *******: LOL
(2009-07-30 18:16:11) Ning = *******: bows
(2009-07-30 18:16:17) Ning = *******: brb
Ok this is as now for it ms tlikely will continue you decide am I what they accuse me of was this done incorrectly do people read and jump to worse ideas do other read and have no clue up what they have been asked. Many thing no pointing no saying bad members. This is what has been sent and stored. Let it stand as is. I am letting people know what has happened and I do. I do not hide I face.
Wow look at what happened when asked further of this matter: (2009-07-30 18:57:49) You are not privy to the information You are not a member of the Conglomeration of site owners and admin.'s. Nor an admin., here. There are reports on you, also for the same thing, it comes from a member of Wiccan Togther and Ning itself. THIS MATTER IS CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AS I SAID, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PROFILE, AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS SIIE, IF YOU LIKE? I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH YOU, YOU ARE BLATANTLY BEING DIREPECTFUL AND IT IS NOTED, AND YOUR MESSAGE HAVE BEN SENT TO NING, AND THE CONGLOMERATION. YOU KEEP SAYING ITS BECAUSE OF THE BDSM ON HIS PROFITE, I HAVE COSISTANTLY TOLD YOU THAT THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL NOT LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! Blessed be Your Path, PETER PS. YES I'M YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!!